It sort of reminds me of the VB proponents a few years back, waving their flag in the face of we Java and C++ people. Bla. Give me a break. Right tool for the right job. In fact VB was very powerful and productive for developing "RAD" applications. Great for that departmental application that just had to work and be delivered quickly. Lousy for shipping that product to 10,000 customers; lousy for squeaking the last ounce of performance out of the CPU.